We put our own Seestar S50 at a remote dark-sky observatory and call it the Outpost. On its first two nights, 8 and 9 October 2026, it took 4,202 subs (the single short exposures a Seestar stacks) of seven targets. The short answer: nearly every sub plate-solved, the telescope collects 85 to 93 % as much starlight as another S50 we compared it with (green pixels, light-pollution filter), and once we fixed a flaw in our own stacking code, the square star cores came out round and about a fifth sharper. Not everything was the stacker: on the first night 23 to 37 % of each target's subs were trailed, and the optics stretch stars slightly on one side of the sensor. Those, and what is still open, are covered below.
Exploratory Every check here was made within these two nights. Nothing has yet been confirmed on a fresh night.
Each picture is the full stack of one target from the new stacker, shown with one plain stretch for all six (exactly what was done): no noise reduction, no sharpening, no star reduction. North is up and east is left; each frame is about 42 by 75 arcminutes, at 2.375″ per stack pixel. Choose a target.
The faint, large-scale light in these stacks, such as M 31's outer disk or the broad glow around the Heart, is uncertain in its shape by roughly 10 to 60 %. The Outpost's mount runs in equatorial mode, so the sky does not turn on the sensor during the night, and a fixed glow from the sensor then looks the same to our background model as a smooth gradient in the sky. The model cannot tell them apart, so don't read faint outer shapes or gradients here as measured. For the Heart, a joint fit of the second night's targets supports the background we used (not yet validated); for M 31 the first night's fit didn't settle it. Stars, star widths, galaxy cores, bright nebula and the comet are not affected.
The blue-violet halos around bright stars are real: the lens does not bring violet light to quite the same focus as the rest (strongest with the UV/IR-cut filter). They are in every single sub, so they stay in the stack.
On the evening of 9 October the Outpost followed comet 161P/Hartley-IRAS for about an hour, starting in evening twilight. A comet moves against the stars: this one moved about 368″ per hour, so over the hour it slid 157 stack pixels across the frame. Stack on the stars and the comet smears. So we stacked a second time on the comet itself, shifting every sub by where JPL Horizons, NASA's ephemeris service, says the comet was at that moment, and gave zero weight to each sub's pixels that sat on a star, so the stars don't smear into lines instead.
What it shows: a compact, round coma (the comet's cloud of gas and dust) with a brighter condensation at its center, and no tail visible at this depth, which is what we expected for a small, faint comet in a 50 mm telescope. Two checks: the coma's peak sits within 1 pixel of where the ephemeris puts it, and its peak above the sky is more than twice what it is in the star-held stack (about 69 against 30 counts, in green), because its light is no longer spread along a smear. Leaving the star pixels out did not change the coma (peak within 1 %). Near the comet, each stack pixel still has at least 32 and typically 67 of the 185 subs behind it (the drizzle drops are small, so even without the mask it is about 70).
The first stacks from these nights had square star cores, dark rings and black holes in the brightest stars. That looked like a bad camera or bad optics. The squares, rings and holes were neither: they were our own stacking code.


A Seestar's sensor has a color filter over each pixel, in a repeating 2 × 2 pattern of red, two greens and blue. Our old stacker separated the four colors into four quarter-size images and resampled each one with a smooth curve. Star images here are only about two of those quarter-size pixels wide, too sharp for that curve: it overshoots and leaves dark rings, and its square shape stays in the star. On an alt-az mount the field turns and blurs the squares away. Here it never did, because the mount runs in equatorial mode and the field held the same angle all night. The black holes came from a third choice: the old stacker threw away every saturated (overexposed) pixel.
The new stacker drops each colored pixel where it actually sits on the sky, as a small round drop (a method called Bayer drizzle), keeps saturated pixels and flags them, and rejects trailed subs. The result: round cores, no holes, no rings, and star brightnesses within 1.5 % of the old stacks. Part of the gain in width comes from dropping the trailed subs: in M 35 the new method alone took stars from 6.77″ to 5.46″, and rejecting trailed subs to 5.20″.
Median star width with the old and the new stacker (FWHM: the width at half the peak brightness, a circular fit on isolated stars in green), and the subs kept. Sh2-129: the 30 s subs; 161P: the star-held stack.
| Target | Night | Old | New | Subs kept |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| M 31 | 8 Oct | 6.94″ | 5.44″ | 469 of 612 |
| M 33 | 8 Oct | 7.02″ | 5.30″ | 43 of 68 |
| M 35 | 8 Oct | 6.77″ | 5.20″ | 168 of 234 |
| Sh2-129 | 8 Oct | 7.10″ | 5.69″ | 228 of 316 |
| NGC 6992 | 9 Oct | 6.58″ | 5.16″ | 862 of 953 |
| IC 1805 | 9 Oct | 6.45″ | 5.00″ | 1,595 of 1,636 |
| 161P field | 9 Oct | 7.71″ | 6.55″ | 187 of 261 |
The comet field was shot lower in the sky than the others, starting in evening twilight, so its stars are softer; 28 of its subs were also dropped for a poor background fit. The single subs' star cores are sharper still. What limits the new stacks now is the size of the drizzle drops, an optical elongation on one side of the sensor, and small tracking jitter.
To compare telescopes we use the photometric zero point: how bright a star must be, in Gaia catalog magnitudes, to give one count per second. Measured on every sub against Gaia stars and compared with the same measurement on 200 subs of Sh2-129 from a community S50 (another owner's unit), it says how much starlight the whole system, including the air above each site, turns into signal. The community frames were taken through the light-pollution filter, so only our sets through that filter compare like for like. We compare green only: red reads 1.1 to 1.3 and blue 0.8 to 0.9, because the camera rescales red and blue before saving (see inside the subs).
An earlier, quicker check had put the Outpost at about half the community unit (0.54), which would have meant dew, focus or a filter problem. It came from the first 13 minutes of the first night, the only light-pollution-filter data on hand then, when the zero point was wandering by ±0.14 mag, for a reason we haven't pinned down (haze or late twilight are candidates). The rest of both nights reads 0.85 to 0.93. Two units are not a fleet: this says the Outpost is not the weak unit the early check suggested, not how S50s compare in general.
A longer sub helps when the camera's read noise (the noise added each time a frame is read out) matters, because an hour of short subs pays it more often. We measured this S50's read noise at 1.0 electron, which is very low. Through the light-pollution filter the noise in a 10 s sub is mostly read noise and the warm sensor's own dark current, not sky; dark current grows with exposure just as sky does, so 10 s subs give up little. From the noise budget we estimate about 0.15 mag per hour against 30 s (0.1 to 0.2 across these sets), which is smaller than this comparison across different fields and nights can resolve. (The only same-field 10 s set, 10 minutes of Sh2-129 in late twilight, reached 22.5 per hour.)
Faintest smooth glow detected at 3 sigma over 10″ boxes, scaled to one hour of exposure, in magnitudes per square arcsecond. It comes from each stack's two independent halves, in an instrumental blue-green band tied to Gaia, so it compares our own sets with each other; it is not a standard sky brightness. Measured on the first stacks, with one method for all three. The fields and nights differ, so this is a like-for-like check of sub length only within that limit. For stars, the new stacks reach a signal-to-noise ratio of 5 at Gaia G 18.9 (M 31), 18.1 (M 35) and 17.4 (IC 1805, 10 s subs through the filter), measured at the stars' catalog positions.
For an S50 owner: on a dark site, 10 s subs cost little depth per hour and lose less to a gust of wind or a tracking hiccup.
A trailed sub has stars stretched into short dashes because the telescope moved during the exposure. The new stacker measures every sub's star shape at full resolution and rejects any sub whose stars are more than 1.4 times longer than wide. Most trailed subs were stretched along the sensor's rows (76 to 96 % of them within 20° of the rows), which points at the mount's tracking or wind rather than the optics.
Also rejected as trailed: M 35 64 of 234 and Sh2-129 87 of 316 on 8 October, the comet field 46 of 261 on 9 October. A handful more were rejected by the older, coarser shape rule. Separately, the optics stretch stars slightly on the sensor's right side (about 1.4 to 1.55 times longer than wide there), and with the field fixed on the sensor that stays in the stack.
A Seestar sub is not a raw camera frame, and that matters only if you want to measure with it. From the Seestar subs alone, with our own dark and bias frames from the same camera to compare, we infer three things. The first two look like deliberate processing; the third may be the sensor itself rather than processing.
The first two are reasonable choices for a smart telescope whose job is a clean, color-balanced live picture. For measurement it means: add both green pixel sets for star brightnesses, don't trust a single color set in a single sub to better than about 8 to 20 %, and don't read the sky's absolute brightness from the subs. On 10 October the Outpost was set to take raw frames through the camera's Alpaca interface (a standard remote-control interface) beside its own subs, field by field; they are not yet landed or analyzed, so the three findings above still wait for that direct check.
Unconfirmed. Because the camera subtracts its own dark before saving, the zero moves from session to session, and the absolute sky brightness cannot be read from these subs. An earlier estimate of the sky being about 1.4 mag darker than a community site is not confirmed. Raw frames, once landed and analyzed, should settle it.
The three findings above come from the Seestar subs alone. The raw frames planned for 10 October, which would test them star by star, are not yet landed or analyzed.
A fixed sensor glow and a sky gradient look alike to the background model here, which leaves faint outer shapes uncertain by roughly 10 to 60 %. A joint fit over several targets of the same night supports the Heart's background but didn't settle M 31's. Twilight frames, the raw frames, or deliberately moving the field a long way between subs would.
Up to 37 % of the first night's subs on some targets were trailed, mostly along one direction. Whether that is the mount, its balance or wind is for the observatory side to look at.
Every number here was found and checked within these two nights. That is why this page is exploratory.
One recipe for every target, in a script committed with this page. It only changes how the data are displayed; the stacks themselves are untouched.
The comet-held stack has no stars to balance or set white on, so it uses the star-held stack's color gains and stretch: the two comet views share one stretch. No noise reduction, no sharpening, no star reduction, no filling of star cores, no local contrast. The close-ups are the same pixels enlarged without smoothing. No flat frames were applied to the stacks (none exist for this unit yet).
Written down before any new pixel was opened:
Chosen on these nights, not in advance: the new stacker's settings, including the 1.4 trailing limit, and the picture recipe, which was set by looking at these stacks. No night other than 8 and 9 October was used for any claim on this page, apart from bias and dark frames taken with the roof closed on 10 October.
Our own Seestar S50 at a remote dark-sky observatory, on its built-in mount in equatorial mode. Night of 8 October 2026: Sh2-129 (light-pollution filter), M 31, M 33 and M 35 (UV/IR-cut filter). Night of 9 October: comet 161P (UV/IR-cut filter), NGC 6992 and IC 1805 (light-pollution filter). 4,202 subs of 2 to 30 s, 2.375″ per stack pixel. The M 31 frames are held back for a separate, pre-registered test on Hubble's Cepheid variable V1, so nothing here measures variable stars in them. Comparison: 200 light-pollution-filter subs of Sh2-129 from one community S50; none of its pixels are shown.
Star positions and magnitudes: ESA Gaia DR3. Comet ephemeris: JPL Horizons, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.